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I think that it's a "difficult" topic, and any attempt to criticise Netanyahus regime is met with "holocaust denier", "anti-semetic", "racist" "jew hater" or "terrorist supporter"

I'm not gonna be a martyr...

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They come across as the New 'Third Reich' in the video Harry, obviously that's not the whole view from the population.

 

All the wording is in place though ie: 'Sovereign State' remember where that 1st started?

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Yes, I hear you, and see the extremists in the vid as a bit like the EDL, or the american white supremacists, the rhetoric is similar, and I like to think that there is no majority of populace behind the extremism,

 

but I realise that fascism doesn't stand up and announce itself, it creeps in through the backdoor.

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I think that it's a "difficult" topic, and any attempt to criticise Netanyahus regime is met with "holocaust denier", "anti-semetic", "racist" "jew hater" or "terrorist supporter"

I'm not gonna be a martyr...

''I would wholeheartedly concur Harry.''

 

''No subject should be placed beyond question or reasonable doubt, and reasonable debate amongst reasonable people should not lead to ostracism, but all too frequently does.  

The problem may be that every statement can be seen as already political from the beginning and 'neutral' debate may never really exist............''Am I always speaking for someone else?''''

 

''To have 'no comment' or even 'no opinion' may be the wisest thing nowadays.''

 

''And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed-if all records told the same lie-then the lie passed into history and became truth.  'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the future controls the past.'''

 

''('And any statement made outside quotation marks may potentially be dangerous')''

:)

 

До свидания

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Zionists are creating a lot of trouble in the Jewish state. The Jewish people are once again beginning to be under suspicion of many things in many countries much like pre war Germany. It's clear the zionists must be stopped before the damage they are causing becomes too much and jews are persecuted again

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All kicking off again in Israel i see, What can you do if you're sitting having a nice breakfast in your home and this Hamas mob are lobbing rockets into your home.

 

Retaliate ? fhooking right you do. There is no easy answer but when you have neighbours who have a policy of " Being Committed to the destruction of Israel" what choice do they really have ?

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The history in these lands and other for that Matter is long and Bloody no side commands the Moral High Ground in my view so long as innocent human beings are being tortured,murdered and abused for their beliefs or perceived beliefs.

A much wiser man than I shall ever claim to be had it spot on..

 

 

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Religion divides Humanity,it creates a space for fanatical beliefs to be grown and nurtured

And this area of the planet has suffered more than most is a direct result of it.

Any human being who takes another human beings life in the name of Religion or

"God" Is a danger to all mankind.

The entire Earth is the Holy Land for it is the only Land we can survive on

these and many muppets like them

Just cannot see that.

God will judge them by their actions

 

 

If he exists.

 

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In other words: Your,e not really clued up in all of it.

 

Dont worry ive done the same on many a subject pal.

I know  ;)

 

Clued up enough to know both sides have blood on their hands and are fighting over land that neither will ever have a claim to outright.

This goes back much further than any of us can comprehend fully and to understand the complexities involved I would suggest that you may well have had to spend a lifetime studying it.

Religion is the route of the problem that much is obvious.

 

Hence my post.

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All joking aside there is no answer. 

 

The problem now as i see it, is that the palli's have acquired longer range rockets that can hit major Israeli citys, which were reletively safe up till now. 

 

I  reckon they'll use a ground force and blitz  their way into Gazza.

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All joking aside there is no answer. 

 

The problem now as i see it, is that the palli's have acquired longer range rockets that can hit major Israeli citys, which were reletively safe up till now. 

 

I  reckon they'll use a ground force and blitz  their way into Gazza.

There is an answer.

God has no religion.

You believe in god then treat your fellow man exactly the same as you would your own Father or brother.

 

I  reckon they'll use a ground force and blitz  their way into Gazza....

 

Israel has the capability to wipe Palestine out in a week any attack via the ground would be wiped out in a matter of days if not Hours with the Capability they have.

Dont' underestimate Israel they can and will take action if provoked enough The 6 Day War was over 40 years ago and Israels Capabilities now far outstretch the Capability they had then.

Only a mug would contemplate such a move.

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We cant draw Hapoel Tel-Aviv in Europe again surely ?

 

 

Anything is possible.

 

It's not the worst place to visit but i suppose if there's rockets going off round about you this time ?????????????

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The Muslim Colonists: Forgotten Facts about the Arab-Israeli Conflict

by Ezequiel Doiny

August 15, 2014 at 4:45 am.

 

 

 

The Yazidi in Iraq and the Christian Copts in Egypt are not “occupiers” or “settlers;” neither are the Jews in Israel. They are both victims of a common enemy that seems to want a Middle East free of non-Muslims.

 

The current Palestinian narrative is that all Muslims in Palestine are natives and all Jews are settlers. This narrative is false. There has been a small but almost continuous Jewish presence in Palestine since the destruction of Jerusalem by Rome two thousand years ago, and, as we will see, most of the Muslims living in Palestine when the state of Israel was declared in 1948 were Muslim colonists from other parts of the Ottoman Empire who had been resettled and living in Palestine for fewer than 60 years.

 

There are two important historical events usually overlooked in the Arab-Israeli conflict.

 

One is the use that Muslim rulers made of the jizya (a discriminatory tax imposed only on non-Muslims, to “protect” them from being killed or having their property destroyed) to reduce the quantity of Jews living in Palestine before the British Mandate was instituted in 1922. The second were the incentives by the Ottoman government to relocate displaced Muslim populations from other parts of the Ottoman Empire in Palestine.

Until the late 1800s entire ancient Jewish communities had to flee Palestine to escape the brutality of Muslim authorities. As Egyptian historian Bat Ye’or writes in her book, The Dhimmi:

 

“The Jizya was paid in a humiliating public ceremony in which the non-Muslim while paying was struck in the head. If these taxes were not paid women and children were reduced to slavery, men were imprisoned and tortured until a ransom was paid for them. The Jewish communities in many cities under Muslim Rule was ruined for such demands. This custom of legalized financial abuses and extortion shattered the indigenous pre-Arab populations almost totally eliminating what remained of its peasantry… In 1849 the Jews of Tiberias envisaged exile because of the brutality, exactions, and injustice of the Muslim authorities. In addition to ordinary taxes, an Arab Sheik that ruled Hebron demanded that Jews pay an extra five thousand piastres annually for the protections of their lives and property. The Sheik threatened to attack and expel them from Hebron if it was not paid.”

 

The Muslim rulers not only kept the number of Jews low through discriminatory taxes, they also increased the Muslim population by providing incentives for Muslim colonists to settle in the area. Incentives included free land, 12 years exemption from taxes and exemption from military service.

 

Bat Ye’or (aka Clarice Littman) continues:

 

“By the early 1800s the Arab population in Palestine was very little (just 246,000) it was in the late 1800s and early 1900s that most Muslim Colonists settled in Palestine because of incentives by the Ottoman Government to resettle displaced Muslim populations because of events such as the Austro-Hungarian Occupation of Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Crimean War and World War 1. Those events created a great quantity of Muslim Refugees that were resettled somewhere else in the Ottoman Empire… In 1878 an Ottoman law granted lands in Palestine to Muslim colonists. Muslim colonists from Crimea and the Balkans settled in Anatolia, Armenia, Lebanon, Syria and Palestine.”

 

Justin McCarthy, a professor of history at the University of Louisville, writing in his Annotated Map, “Forced Migration and Mortality in the Ottoman Empire,” also notes that there were about five million Muslims displaced due to the Austro-Hungarian occupation of Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Crimean War, Balkan wars, the Turkish war of independence and World War I.

 

Sergio DellaPergola, from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, in his paper “Demography in Israel/Palestine: Trends, Prospects and Policy Implications,” provides estimates of the population of Palestine in different periods. As the demographic data below shows, most Muslims living in Palestine in 1948 when the State of Israel was created had been living there for fewer than 60 years:

 

1890: Arab Population 432,000

 

1947: Arab Population 1,181,000

 

Growth in Arab population from 1890 to 1947: 800,000

 

The Yazidi in Iraq and the Christian Copts in Egypt are not “settlers” and “occupiers;” neither are the Jews in Israel. They are victims of a common enemy that seems to want a Middle East free of non-Muslims.

 

Ezequiel Doiny is a writer based in Maryland, USA.

 

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4611/muslim-colonists

 

What Is Palestine.Who Are The Palestinians ? 15minutes

 

 

 

watch?       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9ReF4UUa4E

 

    

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Mamr how unbiased do you think a document by a dude called Ezeiqueil is going to be?

 

 

You obviously never watched the vid it's all there...........................as far back as the Romans.

 

And documentary proof in manuscripts from the arabs themselves.

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You obviously never watched the vid it's all there...........................as far back as the Romans.

 

And documentary proof in manuscripts from the arabs themselves.

was only asking the question mate.

 

besides does the bible not say the hebrews were actually immigrants from egypt?

 

The modern troubles in that area stem from ww2 and the balfour declaration.

 

the subsequent wars and territorial disputes have all stemmed from the idea of a jewish homeland in the middle east.

 

now the west has allowed israel nuclear capabilities and its in a stand off with its nieghbours, you have to question the wisdom in any of this from the balfour declaration.

 

The Torah itself declares that the jews were displaced by God and expelled and banned from israel/ palestine nas does the bible.

 

TBH i dont think any race or nation can claim ownership to that patch of land. It seems as though it is cursed to shed blood for eternity

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was only asking the question mate.

 

besides does the bible not say the hebrews were actually immigrants from egypt?

 

The modern troubles in that area stem from ww2 and the balfour declaration.

 

the subsequent wars and territorial disputes have all stemmed from the idea of a jewish homeland in the middle east.

 

now the west has allowed israel nuclear capabilities and its in a stand off with its nieghbours, you have to question the wisdom in any of this from the balfour declaration.

 

The Torah itself declares that the jews were displaced by God and expelled and banned from israel/ palestine nas does the bible.

 

TBH i dont think any race or nation can claim ownership to that patch of land. It seems as though it is cursed to shed blood for eternity

 

 

Aye, i was only pointing out the documented proof.The bible has no difinitive author.

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i think the israelis are out of order,, hamas are bastards i have no doubt, but the collective punishment of a civilian population is never justified a long with the murder of innocent men , women and children. 

 

The bombing of gaza is outrageous and then saying hamas are using human shields as an excuse for killing civilians is a lie, the bombing has been indiscriminate in many cases. 

 

The silence from the west and the UN is also a joke, just look at the different reaction to what is going on Iraq,

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